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 | FerolO
Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 6 Holton Kansas 
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2004-02-08 76341
I currently live on about 5 acres, with few trees, mostly slightly slopped flat land, I am looking at a compact chinese tractor "farm Pro" in the 2WD, 20HP model,with PS and turf tires. mostly to be used for mowing, however I would like to do a little stuff like dig a small pond, and construct a back stop for a shooting range. I was thinking of the tractor, finish mower, tiller and front loader, would get to a good start and possibly a rear blade. What are your thoughts..I am looking for any info I can get, this is all new to me. PS...Thanks for the site and the great info I have found thus far.
Ferol
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 | kwschumm
Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 5764 NW Oregon 
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2004-02-08 76342
I'd really urge you to get 4WD, especially with a loader. ....
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| FerolO
Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 6 Holton Kansas
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2004-02-08 76344
thanks for the info on the upgrade to 4WD, one thing I forgot..can these compacts dig with the front end loader?
I had planned on tilling the ground first then use the loader to move the soil..? ....
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| kwschumm
Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 5764 NW Oregon
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2004-02-08 76345
Loaders aren't really designed for digging, but for scooping, lifting, and dumping. If you till the soil first you are more scooping than digging so it won't be a problem. You can use the loader to dig some, but you have to be careful. It's easy to shock load the loader and either bend something or blow the seals out of the cylinders. A toothbar helps a lot when digging. I suppose everyone who has a loader has used it to dig from time to time, but that's not what it's designed for.
When you load up a loader bucket weight pivots forward around the front axle and tends to unload the driving rear tires - this is why 4WD is important with a loader. ....
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| FerolO
Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 6 Holton Kansas
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2004-02-08 76374
Thanks again...kwschumm, I was woundering why everyone has said opt. for the 4x4, I knew I would learn something.
This site is great, and I have passed it along to others interested. ....
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| Lenarguy
Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 20 Mercer, PA
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2004-02-08 76381
If you plan on building a pond, tilling and following with the FEL would take up a considerable amount of time in most soil conditions. You would be taking a few inches at a time. Do you have rocky or gravely soil?
How many acres of grass are you planning on mowing? ....
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| chipuren
Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 193 Arkansas
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2004-02-09 76426
Just to clarify, Farm Pro also has parts and labor included on their warranty, they may have an added advantage if there is a dealer nearby to assist in servicing, if not they operate much the same as Northern, paying a local shop to do the warranty work. Extended warranties are available from Farm Pro, in our case we use FailSafe for extended coverage on all of our tractor lines. ....
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| FerolO
Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 6 Holton Kansas
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2004-02-09 76492
Currently I mow a little over 3.5 acres of lawn, about 1/2 acre of field grass..plan on seeding this though.
I'm in no rush to get the pond finished, kinda like a little busy work, and help get used to running the tractor.
Im a full-time firefighter with a good number of days off,(work about 10 days a month) (24 hr shift).
I would like to get a larger property, mostly for a little more shooting range distance. (former deputy of 10 yrs).
I have been looking at the Farm-Pro largely due to cost, at the Homier tool sales, for a little more they offer an extended warranty etc. But I looked at some new "lawn tractors" Sears, JD, etc. for just a little more I can get a compact tractor. The only tractor I have ever ran is an old 8N ford about 15 years ago. I guess its PTO was not live, everytime I stepped on the clutch the blade on the rear would drop.. Whats with the 540 / 1000 RPM PTO ???
My soil is fairly "clean" dirt, havent ran into hardly any gravel or rock.
thanks again everyone. ....
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 | mscott6799
Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 57 WV
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2004-02-09 76496
My suggestion is if I was anywhere close to Chip thats where I'd buy my tractor. He will help guys like me that bought from someone with no support so imagine if you bought it from him. I'm gonna trade up someday and when I do I'm going to Chip. He sells lots of brands so I'm sure he can find just the right tractor for your needs. ....
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| chipuren
Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 193 Arkansas
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2004-02-10 76515
Wow, thanks for the kind words Mike. I saw on another thread your steering is still not 100%, it should be with the light fluid so we need to look at some other things, I'll post that on the other thread.
I will not sell the 2WD Turf Tire Farm Pro with a loader. In fact we imported some 204 3cylinder Jinmas to offer in place of that model. Its a little more money but a much better solution for the reasons others have mentioned. The turf tire Farm Pro has no wheel weights, turf tires don't provide much traction, but if you are going to use it on your lawn, the 4WD turf is going to do better than 2WD with the loader.
We are in Arkansas, I guess not to terribly far depending on the part of Kansas FerolO is. ....
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| chipuren
Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 193 Arkansas
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2004-02-10 76517
The 540 PTO is the main speed, most implements are designed to work at this speed, the Jinma/Farmpro offers a faster rpm for the PTO for some applicaitons, for example if you had a low HP implement like a generator with a light load or maybe a pump that didnt need all the HP to run, you could reduce engine about half and still have proper rpm on the implement. Not used very often but its there if you need it. The two stage clutch prevents the momentum of the implement from pushing the tractor when you step on the clutch like you may have experienced with your old n model ford (if it didn't have an overunning clutch) also the hydraulics are engine mounted so power is available regardless of transmission or pto engagement, these are much nicer to run than the old Fords for that matter, Not being negative about the old Fords, they sure met a need in their day! ....
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| TomG
Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 5406 Upper Ottawa Valley
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2004-02-10 76519
4wd also is safer when operating on slopes.
Modern hydraulics are different than on the 8N's. I'm no expert and don't know why the blade dropped. I thought 8N's had live hydraulics but maybe not. Early Ford pumps were driven off the pto so the pump quit when the TX was clutched or the pto disengaged. That is, if there wasn't something like a mower running on the 3ph. That same mower that also used to drive 8N's forward when they were clutched also is mostly a thing of the past. It doesn't happen with live pto's and most TX driven pto's now have built in over-running clutches.
Live pto on a gear tractor usually means it has a two-stage clutch. Depress it part way and the TX disengages. The rest of the way disengages the pto as well. That might be a useful option to consider if it's available.
Two-speed rear pto's are found mostly in tractors that also are marketed outside N.A. There are some 1000 rpm implements around but they're more common outside N.A. ....
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| FerolO
Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 6 Holton Kansas
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2004-02-11 76605
Ok...it may have been my foot, that "killed" the 8N's pto, didnt know about the 2 stage type, I had pretty much always put it to the floor. It was my older borhters, and I just ran it like I was told..(Oh...Well)
I live about 25 miles due north of Topeka, Ks. (Holton)
Or most people know it by the "harrah's casino north of Topeka."
Ark. is not too far a way, have family in Branson, and at Table Rock lake in Mo. and some extended family in Mountin Home Ark.
How much "truck" would it take to haul one of the 4x4 types, I have a tandem axle car trailer 20 to 22 ft.
As far as my slight slope, from the front property line to the rear there is about a 3 to 5 feet difference over about a 350 ft. distance. we are pretty flat here.
If anyone would have any questions on fire pumps etc, I have some knowledge in that area, been to a few schools for pump repair and maint. will be going this year for more, including E.V.T cert. and I am familiar with C.A.F.S systems from small brush units to primary attack pumpers.
Im no EXPERT, but have been working with / on them for over 5 years now. ....
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| chipuren
Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 193 Arkansas
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2004-02-11 76608
Ferol,
shoot me an email and I will give you a quote. Check my profile or our website for the address. (can't post it here due to board rules).
You should not have any problems with a half ton pickup pulling one of these on a trailer, even in the hills of Arkansas!
Thanks
Chip ....
Link: our page
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| mscott6799
Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 57 WV
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2004-02-12 76719
I towed a Jinma 354 no FEL which weighs a little more then a 284 with a half ton 302 Ford no problems. ....
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| Ami
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2004-06-20 88992
I don't think thats a good idea to do that you need a back hoe for digging that front loader is not made for that. also you might want to go 4 wheel drive for rough turain. ....
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