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dutchhenry
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2003-09-28          65016


I live off of a dirt road that gets dry and dusty any suggestion on a mix to help keep the dust down.



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harvey
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2003-09-28          65017


Lots of times you can whine at the town supervisor and they will squirt your section of road with a calcium solution.

You can get bagged calcium and spread it thinly your self. ....


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2003-09-28          65025


Thanks Harvey, I have not done the supervisor route yet might give it a try. Did try the calcium stuff on my driveway but where I buy it it is $14 a bag. Not sure what the pallet price is but I cannot afford to do the whole road at that price.

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Peters
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2003-09-28          65027


I have not tried it yet but water soluble polymer would also have the same effect. They use them as a flocculant in water treatment plants. A little would go a long way.
I am not sure if it would make the road slippery. Might work in to ways if it kept the traffic down. ....


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Billy
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2003-09-28          65030


If it's available in your area, you might want to try spreading shale on the road. It won't completely get rid of the dust problem, but it will cut it down considerably. ....


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2003-09-28          65035


Thanks Peters I like the Polymer idea I would enjoy the slip'n & sliding part. Gee I wonder if my insurance would cover me!

Thanks Billy if I can find shale around here it might be more in my price range I will call around and see.

Thanks to you all.

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TomG
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2003-09-29          65049


Our Township uses something that leaves roads looking like there were lightly oiled. I'll no doubt run into the guy who puts it down sometime this week and will ask what it is.

I guess I miss those old oiled section roads. They were far better to drive on then gravel even if they did cause cancer and things environmentalists get real excited about. ....


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Murf
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2003-09-29          65056


Tom, they used to use that stuff around our place too. It is called "black Liquor" although why I'm not sure, it is actually a sludge by-product from the lumber mills.

They discovered it contains trace amounts of all sorts of nasty chemicals, most notably, Mercury. The environmentalists successfully argued it was going into the watershed so they discontinued it's use in favour of CaCl (Calcium Chloride).

As a sidebar, our area is part of a pilot program in which they are using liquid CaCl applied by a tanker truck like the ones used to wash roads, but with a finer spray pattern, to control road icing instead of rock salt. They are even saturating the asphalt for 300 ft. leading up o intersections, and along curves, this week hoping it will stay on the road and prevent the ice from sticking to the road surface.

Best of luck. ....


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2003-09-29          65057


I have never tried this but along the lines of what Eric said; spraying waste vegetable oil on the road in the area in front of and near your house should have the same effect as spraying it down with diesel oil. The diesel oil sprayed on dirt roads worked well at keeping the dust down when I was in Saudi Arabia during Desert Storm. It is however, NOT good for the water table and environment. Waste vegetable oil provided it is applied in reasonable amounts should work the same way. How much road are you planning to treat? Just a thought. ....


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2003-09-29          65070


At a place I used to work, the company encouraged people to bring in their used engine oil to help with dust in the parking lot. Poeple gladly obliged. Eventually the lot was paved with asphalt.

Years later, the company was selling the property that had the old parking lot. Current environmental regulations required core drills into the dirt to check for industrial pollution. The drillers struck oil at eight feet. The oil had filtered through the soil and was trapped on top of a clay layer. I also understand that they disturbed the clay layer with the core drill holes and that allowed some of the oil to transfer below the clay layers.

This turned into a very big expensive mess. They brought in a kiln sort of device and strip mined all of the dirt from the old parking lot, down to the clay, and the dirt had to be burned through that kiln to destroy the oil.

This is something to keep in mind if you have old engine oil, chemicals or even paint.
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2003-09-29          65072


Around here they use something called "Ligenset" (not sure how to spell it) that is approved by the state ecology department. I did a web search for it and couldn't find it, but I know it's an organic waste byproduct of the wood pulp/paper industry. It does a fine job, but after a dozen rainstorms it's mostly gone so reapplication is required. The local oil dealer that spreads it charges something like $1/lf, which on our road frontage is too much money to spend each season so we just live with the dust. ....


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2003-09-29          65097


Asphalt suppliers use a very light mixture called dust oil they also use their equipment to spray it by the sq yard/meter. We also squirt calcium but that is used more for soil stabilization in road beds.

The prefered solution is oil and stone, or better yet pave it. Then you have to live with increased speeds.

Now there is an idea make some pot holes and slow your traffic down...

As I said before your township should be taking care of your dust control. Many towns here spray a couple of times a summer and the results on lightly traveled roads is excellent. ....


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2003-09-30          65132


ACZ, Thats exactly right. Dumping anything on a road is a really poor idea unless it is your exclusive private road. Even then the ramifications later can be mighty expensive. Here doing anything to a public road will wind you in court faster than you can say son of a gun ! Especially bi products of any sort. Dave ....


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2003-09-30          65136


I think what you are referring to is "Lignosulphanate" which is commonly marketed under various names as a dust control agent for roads, etc.

It is a by-product of the lumber & pulp industries and is billed as being an 'environmentally safe' way to control dust. However, studies done in Ontario showed that it does not soak far enough into the road to prevent it being washed away by rain, if it then collects in a marshy area without much waterflow it builds up to toxic levels quickly.

It is interesting to note that even though this stuff was widely approved for dust control use on roads, it was 'hazardous waste' at the mill.

Best of luck. ....


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2003-09-30          65139


I guess after all the replys I am going to go with a local road dust company that knows what they are doing. Legal wise and other and forget about doing it myself.

Thanks to you all.

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