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 | burtalm
Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 46 central square, ny 
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2004-03-03 78699
Okay, one more guys. How much down pressure can you put on a landscape rake with out wrecking it. My son wants to plant some clover as a replacement ground cover in several places as "wildlife management".
The soil is gravelly humus. the area is Fairly open woodland with some weed and minor scrub growth. If we mow the area with the brusg hog and then
we hit the area with round up and went over it well with a landscape rake, would we get the ground loose enough to broadcast spread the clover seed so it would take well? If you think this would work, I might not need a plow or a tiller. You experienced guys wanna weigh in on this thought? Thanks.
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| loghouse95
Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 87 missouri
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2004-03-03 78701
Are you talking about using your 3ph for down pressure,or just putting your position control all the way down. If you are talking about your position control you should have no problems..also clover should be sown so that the seeds go through at least one good freeze. a lot of people broadcast the seed after a snow so they can see the coverage ....
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| burtalm
Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 46 central square, ny
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2004-03-03 78704
if I put position control all the way down, does it put enough pressure to break the rake? I don't own a rake yet. ....
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 | blizzard
Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 282 Central Maine
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2004-03-03 78710
Unless you have some special setup, the 3PH does not supply down pressure. The weight of the implement determines its working characteristics, you can set the 'position' of the implement (the lowest it will go) but it will float up to the limit of its travel if the attitude of the tractor changes. Otherwise if the front wheels went up over an obstruction the rear wheels would lose traction. Rather like when you put too much down pressure on the FEL, and the front wheels leave the ground.
There is 'load control' available for some hitches. This keeps the tractive force to the implement constant by raising the implement if it hits a 'hard spot' as when plowing. But the low position is still set with the position control. Putting extra weight on the implement in the form of sandbags or other temporary mass is common, but not recommended. Adjust the top link to get the implement working the best for your conditions, the attachment manufacturer usually matches the weight to strength pretty closely.
Hope this helps,
bliz ....
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| burtalm
Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 46 central square, ny
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2004-03-03 78712
thanks again, Bliz
ps. I still have 4 ft of snow on my front lawn just 20 miles north of Syracuse. Can I ship any to the Canadian drought? ....
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| blizzard
Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 282 Central Maine
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2004-03-04 78716
Amen to the snow in your area. I was caught there in the February, 1966 blizzard with 52" and 15' drifts. We get enough for me here with an annual average 107" total.
bliz ....
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| burtalm
Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 46 central square, ny
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2004-03-04 78717
Bliz, I remember it well. I was trapped indoors for 3 days tht storm. Car was totally buried.
Tough part for us this year was the fact that we never got any thaws so it just kept piling up.
Have a good spring and summer!
Burt ....
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 | harvey
Join Date: Sep 2000 Posts: 1550 Moravia, NY 
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2004-03-04 78722
I'm not sure if you would get any penetration. I think the rake will just load up with old grass.
You might try taking out every other tooth and that might do it.
If it does not I'm only 25 miles SW os Syr and have a old set of #PH spring tooth harrows you can borrow for the weekend. ....
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 | Murf
Join Date: Dec 1999 Posts: 7249 Toronto Area, Ontario, Canada 
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2004-03-04 78755
I've had pretty good luck in the past by just dragging an old section of harrows loaded up on top with concrete blocks or anything else heavy. Multiple passes may be required if the ground is really tough but generally it works pretty well.
Best of luck. ....
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| Abbeywoods
Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 110 New England
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2004-03-04 78758
The angle at which your rake meets the ground, using a 3pt hitch without downforce feature, will determine the aggressiveness of "bite." The rake frame should be adjusted so that it is level with a flat surface when lowered all the way down for normal use. To increase bite, adjust the top link so the teeth of the rake tilt back about 3 to 5 degrees. This will rough up a surface fairly well. But remember, a rake is not a planting implement. ....
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| kubotachick
Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 116 illinois/wisconsin
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2004-03-05 78921
well, this is just kind of an anecdote...the first job with a landscaper i ever had...on the first day we were doing fall clean up and I broke the rake....got chewed out the first day....BE VERY CAREFUL! ....
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