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JAG
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2004-06-25          89346


This unit is from a dealer is hydro with loader and new backhoe. it has 155 hours. They are asking 25,500. Is this a good deal?
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2004-06-25          89348


sorry, it is a 4600 tractor. ....


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2004-06-25          89349


Assuming 4WD, machinerylink dot com says in good condition it should go for around $22k. Add some for loader and backhoe and it seems like a good price. What kind of backhoe is on it? ....


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2004-06-27          89473


Thanks for your response. The dealer said it is a 48 backhoe.

He is trying to talk me into a 4310 and I noticed you had one. In your opinion would the 4310 be enough horsepower or would you recommend a larger machine? I have to turn a field with a plow as we are beginning a horse farm.
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2004-06-27          89478


I'm pretty sure a 4310 will pull a plow since it has more power than some old farm tractors, but I don't plow. For horses you may have to deal with bales so bigger than a 4310 may be better. You might want to read this thread for more info on handling round bales. ....


Link:   Round bale discussion

 

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2004-06-28          89498


On big is your 'field'?

On paper a 4310 should have no problem pulling a one-bottom plow, (and maybe a two-bottom) and a 4600/4610 a two bottom plow (and maybe a three, depending on size/ground condition).

However - many folks who do tillage work say a hydro can be a bad tranny choice for that type of work. (My dealer included). Significant power loss (to the wheels, not the more common PTO measurement) compared to a gear tranny, and heavy constant tillage work can overheat a hydro transmission - possibly to the point of permanent damage.

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2004-06-28          89523


I should add that I have talked to several folks who have done 'limited' plowing with their hydro CUTs and generally (once they learn how to run a plow correctly) have been very pleased with the results. The operative word is 'limited'.

Also - to do plowing/tillage work most effectively you need 'draft control' on the 3pt, not just position control. Very few CUTs offer that as an option much less as a standard feature. The large-frame JD's 4000's and 4000 Tens can add it as a field-installed option, the mid-size JD's cannot.

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2004-06-28          89537


You can't go by machinerylink's prices. They are way out of line. It shows this slightly used 4600 at $22,000 (using Ken's figure) but you can buy a brand spanking new 4610 eHydro MFWD for less than $20,000. A new FEL would cost around $3,500. The backhoe would run around $6,000 to $6,500. That would bring the price of a new 4610 to around $29,500. Using those figures may help you decide if it's a good deal or not.

Saving 4 grand sounds like a pretty good deal but you're not getting a warranty? and (if you're financing) you're not going to get the low interest rate. ....


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2004-06-28          89539


Machinerylinks prices do seem high, but I think they are dealer asking prices and not actual sale prices. Actual sale prices may be 5-10% lower than what they show. In addition to Billy's insights another factor is the brand of loader and backhoe (are they both JD?). ....


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2004-06-30          89744


The 4600 looked pretty used and wasn't the e-hydro transmission and the 4310 looked too small for 1800lb round bales.

I took the plunge and bought a new twenty series 4120 with the new contractor grade backhoe and loader. It is the 43hp. For a few thousand more it seemed like the right thing to do for the 3 year warranty. The dealer gave me 9000 for my 4100 gear tractor with 115 hours on it. I paid 9300 from a dealer on Ebay so I was pretty happy. FYI the total was 22K with a new 6x rotary cutter with slip clutch. (after my 4100 trade)

Thanks for your input.
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2004-06-30          89752


JAG, congrats on the new 4120! I think you're the first here with one of those. Sure wish you'd register and post some pics. Our dealer didn't have any of the new 20 series in yet as of last week. ....


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