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bx23kid
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2004-03-07          79144


I am in the business of installing flagpoles. We normally dig holes in sizes from 2'(wide)X 3-1/2'(deep) up to 4'(wide)X 8'(deep). We currently dig them by hand and we're looking for a faster and easier way. I am in new england and it seems too 'rocky' for an auger. We are looking at the BX23 and the B21 but really don't know if a backhoe would make digging easier for us or harder in the long run. The holes we dig need to be pretty plumb and we are concerned that the 'walls' might be too disturbed since the backhoe motions are in arcs. Can the backhoe motions create a pretty plumb hole without having to backfill too much? Our poles rely on the strength of the walls. Ofcourse we cement the poles in in the final stage. We might need to consider sonotubes now, but do you think a backhoe would be beneficial to us? You input would be greatly appreciated. We will renting when the ground thaws to try this out.



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Art White
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2004-03-07          79172


You might want to consider a little larger unit like a mini excavator so if you had the dump trailer that you hauled it there in you could haul the scraps away. To dig 8' down you need at least a 10' hoe to dig it well. ....


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2004-03-08          79209


I think a mini would be perfect for what you are trying to do. When you rent it spend the day practicing round holes,
It will take a while but I think you will find it Ideal.
I envision a custom radial cutting edge on a separate bucket
for finish work.
Ask these guys if it's possible.
You may want to consider quick change attachment option and a few different
bucket widths.
Good luck. Dig Safe! ....


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bx23kid
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2004-03-09          79345


Thanks for the help guys. Most holes that we dig are approx. 4' deep X 2' wide. Also, most holes are at residential estate with full-time landscapers that wouldn't want to see their lawn thrashed up by the excavator. Thats why I was leaning towards the BX23 or B21, possibly with the turf tires. Plus most jobs that we do arent accessible by truck either. So the spoil is still an issue too. I was thinking about pre-mixing the concrete into forms and transporting them to jobs. So I xould excavate the hole, drop the concrete form in, then backfill w/ the spoil and lose the rest in the woods. You gotta help me guys..... ....


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CraigC
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2004-03-09          79353


I don't know if you are aware but, mini excavators are usually on rubber tracks. ....


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Kendews
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2004-03-09          79357


Yeah, but even with the rubber tracks, the skid steering will tear up turf - especially in the spring. My BX23 can dig a very neat hole, but only 5 or at most 6 feet deep. I'm in New England, and extracting boulders means that the hole will always be a bit ragged.
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Art White
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2004-03-10          79421


That unit is a great little unit but it won't dig all your holes that is why I suggested the Excavator. The BX is the best in it's size and you should feel comfortable knowing that if that configuration can't do it that nothing can except the excavator! ....


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bx23kid
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2004-03-10          79427


Ok guys..Looks like we have 3 sizable jobs tomorrow (Thursday) so we will be renting a brand new BX23 to try it out. The holes are going on a little curbed-in island just off the pavement, so the mini-ex would be perfect there, but I'm going to put the BX23 to the test. I'm going with the 10" bucket. I'm also bringing a piece of plywood, approx. 20"wide X 36"deep to 'box-in' the hole where the bucket pulls towards the machine (Just in-case). I'll let u guys know how it goes. ....


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CraigC
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2004-03-10          79476


My neibor is a landscaper, to plant trees He uses a skid loader with a 24" hydraulic post hole digger. Just wondered if that would work for you. ....


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itsgottobegreen
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2004-03-10          79494


I got a friend with a 36" auger on his John Deere 270 skit steer. That would work, but will run you twice the price of a Bx23. ....


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CraigC
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2004-03-11          79577


Could go with a compact and a post hole digger, would be easy on the grass and should still be cheaper than a hoe. ....


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2004-05-22          86587


You can did a perfectly square hole with the BX23, I have one and it does take some practice. The Kubota BX23 guide even provides instructions on how to dig square...check it out at the dealership. The tractor does NOT dig up the yard and you could probably used the utility of the FEL when moving cement and removing overburden. ....


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2004-05-22          86588


You can dig a perfectly square hole with the BX23, I have one and it does take some practice. The Kubota BX23 guide provides instructions on how to dig square hole...check it out at in the guide that the dealership should have. The tractor does NOT dig up lawns and you could probably used the utility of the FEL when moving cement and removing overburden. You can also get into tight spots with it, these are all reasons I purchased one. ....


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2004-06-28          89578


Hey BX23kid. Wonder what your experience was with the BX23 and its hoe. I have been pleased with mine, but have not yet dug post holes. What do you think after your test? ....


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