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 | Randy
Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 76 myLocation 
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2001-08-23 31242
I am wondering if anyone knows of a good reason why the front rims can (should)not be turned around to give the tractor a wider stance. JD has made it so you can not turn the rims without a modification to the tractor.There is a small tab that will hit the rim when the lug bolts are tightened if turned around. These small tabs could be ground off, why would JD not want you to have the wider stance, would it not make the tractor more stable.
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Join Date: Feb 2000 Posts: 1307 The South Shore of Lake Ontario, New York 
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2001-08-23 31244
Your steering geometry would change slightly as would the speed of the inside and outside front tires when turning. I don't know if it would be enough to have an effect on anything though and the ratio should stay the same between the two wheels, since you are moving them both out. I have heard of Kubota owners turning theirs around, don't know of any negative results. ....
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| Anthony M. Parente
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2001-08-23 31245
I turned the front wheels on my JD 4700 to the wide position with no problems.
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| Farmer Giles
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2001-08-23 31246
On my New Holland TC33D it's a NO NO to turn the front wheels the other way because of the stress on the front differential when in four wheel drive. I wouldn't think it would be any different on another model. ....
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| Stan in Calif
Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 47 Sacramento Valley- Glenn County
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2001-08-23 31248
This will add a little stress to the spindles and bearings. If you don't have an FEL, there shouldn't be a problem. If you have an FEL, operate it smoothly, and are cognizant of the considerable stress that a loader imposes on the front end, you'll probably still get away with it- others have. I think just about all FEL-equiped tractors have had their front ends slammed down once or twice, and reversed rims will make it a little worse. -Stan ....
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| JeffM
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2001-08-23 31249
Randy, which JD model do you have? My 4400, manufactured in March 2000, allows the front and rear wheels to be reversed and describes it in the owner's manual. I presently have both the front and rear wheels reversed for a wider track. The dealer set the rear ones up when they installed the backhoe and I did the fronts this spring. ....
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| Randy
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2001-08-24 31267
My first post I should have given more info. my tractor is a JD 870 4wd with a FEL is the front end different from the 4000 .Thank you for the replys so far ....
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| jpaulus in W Wisc
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2002-02-23 35836
I've had a 755, 955, 1070, and now a 4700. turned the rims on front and back on all of these tractors. couldn't have used them on the sidehills that comprise my land without having the wider stance. never had a problem, except that a midmount mower can't be used 'cause the gauge wheels interfere with the front tires.
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| SOB1
Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 15 New Jersey
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2002-02-24 35844
I also have a NH TC33d w/a FEL and the dealer said that it wouldn't be a problem turning the front or back wheels inside out...I never realized what a narrow stance these compact tractors have in relationship to my ole 39 9N. Will I gain a considerable distance by swapping them or is it a waste of time and effort??
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| TomG
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2002-02-25 35854
My attitude is that if there are problems anticipated with operations on side hills, then every little bit helps. Solving stability problems with ballast is another approach as well as keep using the 9N if it's still around. I hear that few things are better than the old N's on side hills.
I think a way to get an idea of how much stance would be gained by reversing the wheels is to take twice the difference between the inside rim to the wheel and the outside rim to the wheel. There should be a greater distance from the wheel to the rim on the inside than the outside of the wheel, or reversing the wheels wouldn't affect the stance.
There was a comment here awhile back from somebody who said that reversing the front wheels would change the steering geometry. I'm not sure if the problem was supposed to be more wear and tear on the front end, greater tire scuffing or what. Other people said they had run reversed front wheels with no problems. It is something to think about though.
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